中文名称：UMLChina讲座录音20040223DavidFrankel 资源类型：MP3 发行时间：2006年05月04日 地区：美国 语言：英语 简介： David S. Frankel--应用MDA讲座 时间：2004年2月23日上午10:00-12:00 演讲人： David S. Frankel，构造大规模企业级系统的专家，OMG架构委员会成员，是MDA的主要发起者之一。他的《应用MDA》是国内引进的第一本MDA书籍。 文字记录： (09:09:48)*mountain_wang与VoiceTest说:怎么测试语音？ (09:11:02)*mountain_wang与VoiceTest说:听到了 (09:11:04)*mountain_wang与VoiceTest说:谢谢 (09:11:10)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceTest说:you ) (09:11:13)*mountain_wang与VoiceTest说:thanks (09:11:19)VoiceTest与所有人说:没事 (09:24:55)*lovelypp与所有人说:我怎么听不见声音? (09:26:05)*lovelypp与所有人说:哪位兄弟讲个话,我试试 (09:27:16)*lovelypp与所有人说:今天的讲座资料在哪里下载？ (09:28:16)*lovelypp与所有人说:// agree (09:32:32)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:请大家用碧聊用户名带密码登录 (09:33:06)chinaclub88与所有人说:收到 (09:34:53)*songxinglie与所有人说:我也听不见声音 (09:36:12)*mountain_wang与所有人说:名单列表里你名字右边出现绿色符号就表示可以听到语音了 (09:38:24)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:test (09:39:12)*zmelody与[*umlchina_seminar]说:hi, Mr Pan? (09:41:55)*广东地球村与所有人说:好象听不到语音 (09:43:00)cnho与所有人说:好像没有声音 (09:44:14)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:hello! (09:44:27)[*umlchina_seminar]与*zmelody说:hello! ) (09:48:46)cnho与所有人说:请问管理员yahoo通要用吗？ (09:49:53)[*umlchina_seminar]与*zmelody说:yahoo可以不用 ) (09:49:59)newcaff与所有人说:听不到声音阿,有没有在测试? (09:50:08)[*umlchina_seminar]与*zmelody说:请大家不用使用双工对话！ ) (09:50:12)*wsansan与所有人说:Hello,几时开始？ (09:50:28)[*umlchina_seminar]与*zmelody说:双工对话参加讲座是用不着的 ) (09:50:40)*lovelypp与[*umlchina_seminar]说:听不见声音啊！ (09:50:44)*DavidFrankel与所有人说:大家好 (09:50:48)[*umlchina_seminar]与*zmelody说:10点开始 ) (09:50:57)*lovelypp与[*umlchina_seminar]说:哪位听见声音了？ (09:50:59)[*umlchina_seminar]与*zmelody说:welcome ) (09:51:10)cnho与所有人说:听见了。 (09:51:14)newcaff与所有人说:听到了 (09:51:28)[*umlchina_seminar]与*DavidFrankel说:welcome! (09:51:42)[*umlchina_seminar]与*DavidFrankel说:hello professor (09:51:43)*hb_wang与所有人说:没听到 (09:51:51)*lovelypp与[*umlchina_seminar]说:还没有声音啊 (09:52:38)cnho与*DavidFrankel说:hello. (09:52:53)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:专家来了，大家欢迎 (09:52:59)newcaff与[*umlchina_seminar]说:听到了 (09:53:08)*mountain_wang与所有人说:welcome 09:53:23)*DavidFrankel与所有人说:大家好 (09:53:40)*mountain_wang与*DavidFrankel说:好 (09:56:45)*zmelody与[*umlchina_seminar]说:Hi, Mr Pan? I am Bao. ) (09:57:05)[*umlchina_seminar]与*zmelody说:hello, Mr. bao (09:57:28)*sabri与所有人说:谁能测试一下语音？ (09:57:35)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:zmelody是应用MDA的译者，鲍志云先生 (09:58:00)*zmelody与所有人说:Hi, everyone (09:58:05)chinaclub88与所有人说:hi (09:58:08)*xuehuzhang与所有人说:Hi, Mr. Bao (09:58:15)chinaclub88与所有人说:mr bao (09:58:16)*mountain_wang与*zmelody说:welcome (09:58:22)*sabri与*zmelody说:欢迎鲍老师！您的翻译真好！ (09:58:29)newcaff与*zmelody说:welcome (09:58:34)chinaclub88与*zmelody说:yes (09:58:35)*广东地球村与所有人说:欢迎 (09:58:39)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfDavid说:听见了 (09:58:49)newcaff与VoiceOfDavid说:听到了 (09:59:00)chinaclub88与所有人说:听到了 (09:59:06)*广东地球村与所有人说:听到了 (09:59:09)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfDavid说:专家开始讲座，请打开幻灯 (09:59:13)*sabri与所有人说:no (09:59:14)pqx与所有人说:听到了 (09:59:20)*xuehuzhang与所有人说:Can't hear you, Dave (09:59:58)*广东地球村与所有人说:听到了，回音很大 (10:00:28)newcaff与所有人说:听不到,声音太小了 (10:00:45)pqx与所有人说:听不到了,声音太小了 (10:00:46)chinaclub88与所有人说:声音太小了 (10:00:47)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:Page 2 (10:00:48)*xuehuzhang与所有人说:It was fine when the lady did the testing (10:01:04)pqx与所有人说:yes (10:01:04)*xuehuzhang与所有人说:but the volume is very low when Dave took over (10:01:08)cnho与*DavidFrankel说:怎样看视频？ (10:01:40)*广东地球村与*DavidFrankel说:怎样看幻灯片 (10:02:17)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfDavid说:听见了 ) (10:02:24)*xuehuzhang与所有人说:This is much better (10:02:56)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfDavid说:we can hear now ) (10:03:03)cnho与所有人说:is there the video? (10:03:15)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfDavid说:we can here now (10:03:35)*zmelody与[*umlchina_seminar]说:Where can I find the ppt? ) (10:03:41)ymxxm与所有人说:如何查看视频 (10:04:07)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:幻灯下载：http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm (10:04:08)chinaclub88与所有人说:视频要用yahoo看的 (10:04:53)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:page5 (10:09:54)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:page 6 (10:10:15)pqx与所有人说:下载不了 (10:10:37)*zmelody与所有人说:The 2nd URL on that page works. (10:10:43)[*umlchina_seminar]与pqx说:同时有人下载就下载不了 ) (10:10:51)chinaclub88与所有人说:听不懂啊, 郁闷 (10:11:16)*mountain_wang与chinaclub88说:结合幻灯 (10:11:56)*zmelody与所有人说:Hehe, it is somewhat like TOEFL listening (10:12:19)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:page 8 (10:13:23)*mountain_wang与所有人说:她讲的够慢了 (10:14:43)*zmelody与[*umlchina_seminar]说:It seems something's wrong here. The voice suddenly cuts off? ) (10:15:16)[*umlchina_seminar]与*zmelody说:all right here ) (10:16:08)*zmelody与[*umlchina_seminar]说K I'll try to reenter ) (10:16:43)cnho与所有人说:which page now? (10:17:09)*mountain_wang与所有人说:里面的pattern部分 (10:17:26)*zmelody与[*umlchina_seminar]说:It's OK now ) (10:17:38)*mountain_wang与所有人说:Applies...-->patterns (10:19:16)chinaclub88与所有人说:讲座完了,umlchina会不会提供文字材料啊, (10:19:58)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:have a break (10:20:07)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:马上继续 (10:20:29)chinaclub88与所有人说:有几个人听懂了,呵呵 (10:21:03)cnho与所有人说:I hear componts a lot:) (10:21:07)*mountain_wang与chinaclub88说:前面只讲了一些理念性的东西 (10:21:15)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfDavid说k! ) (10:21:18)*mountain_wang与chinaclub88说:MDA的背景 (10:21:25)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfDavid说:voice is fine ) (10:21:31)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfDavid说:page 9 ) (10:21:38)*zmelody与所有人说:Just now David is comparing software component design to buiding highrises (10:21:41)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:page 9 (10:21:45)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:voice is fine (10:21:48)*mountain_wang与所有人说:听英文的时候不要光听单词，听段落 (10:22:28)*zmelody与所有人说:model-orientation, application integration (10:22:30)*zmelody与所有人说:the way we abstraction... (10:23:14)*zmelody与所有人说:we can actually write a model compiler to generate the system (10:24:11)*zmelody与所有人说:David is talking about the traditional way and MDA way building systems (10:26:26)*zmelody与所有人说:If tools can generate code from visual GUI element, we can go furthur along this way (10:27:41)*zmelody与所有人说:hand-coded SQL->automatic O/R mapping is a great improvement, it is also along the direction ofMDA (10:28:33)*zmelody与所有人说:MDA tools, traditional IDE (10:28:45)*zmelody与所有人说:traditional IDEs can already generate a lot of code (10:28:57)*zmelody与所有人说:So code generation is not the invention of MDA (10:29:46)*zmelody与所有人说:Usually the changes in the IDE wizards will reflect in the code, vice versa, it is "2-way" sync (10:30:21)*zmelody与所有人说:Model can generate code, that adds value to the models (10:32:03)*zmelody与所有人说:MDA goes further from CBD (10:32:36)*zmelody与所有人说:coarse grained component vs small components (10:32:48)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:11 (10:32:54)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:page 11 (10:34:12)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:page 12 (10:34:14)*zmelody与所有人说:some patterns are technical (implementation patterns?), some are domain-related (10:34:56)*zmelody与所有人说:mda generator is a "compiler with pattern weaver" (10:36:04)*zmelody与所有人说:pattern community and model community -> convergence? (10:36:23)*zmelody与所有人说:the value object pattern example (10:36:59)*zmelody与所有人说:page 13 (10:37:35)*zmelody与所有人说:VO pattern is mainly for efficiency concerns in distributed architecture (10:38:08)*xuehuzhang与所有人说:what is a facade? (10:38:19)*zmelody与所有人说:set value on value object, it is locally, inexpensive (10:38:24)*mountain_wang与*xuehuzhang说:一种模式 (10:38:34)*zmelody与所有人说:then send the value object to remote (10:38:36)*mountain_wang与*xuehuzhang说:比如session facade (10:38:42)*zmelody与所有人说:thus reducing network traffic (10:39:13)*mountain_wang与*xuehuzhang说:门面 (10:39:20)*zmelody与所有人说:the big majority of this pattern can be generated automatically (10:39:22)*xuehuzhang与所有人说:thanks, mountain (10:39:53)*zmelody与所有人说:Facade is for architectural concerns while VO is for efficiency concerns (10:39:56)*mountain_wang与*xuehuzhang说:with pleasure (10:40:31)*mountain_wang与*xuehuzhang说:主要目的是为了节省远程调用，提高网络通讯效率 (10:40:32)*zmelody与所有人说:To apply VO again and again manually does not make a lot of sense (10:40:53)*zmelody与所有人说:Because they're the same repeated work, so they should be auto generated (10:41:02)*xuehuzhang与*mountain_wang说:got it (10:41:26)*zmelody与所有人说:raise the abstraction level of the platform (10:42:23)*zmelody与所有人说:bridge the abstraction gap (10:42:48)*zmelody与所有人说:compiling abstract models into system (10:43:35)*zmelody与所有人说 15 (10:43:52)*xuehuzhang与所有人说:p16? (10:44:52)newcaff与所有人说:page 17 (10:45:58)*zmelody与所有人说:18 (10:46:11)*zmelody与所有人说:seperate these concerns (10:46:26)*zmelody与所有人说:waterline metaphor (10:47:08)*zmelody与所有人说:raising abstraction is raising the "waterline", more will be pushed below the line by MDA (10:47:39)*zmelody与所有人说:19 (10:48:17)*zmelody与所有人说:he's reading ppt here, haha (10:48:34)*zmelody与所有人说:MO (10:48:43)*zmelody与所有人说:MOF is important (10:48:58)*zmelody与所有人说:MOF is core standard of MdA (10:49:49)*zmelody与所有人说:languages of all kinds are defined in MOF in MDA (10:50:25)xxx与zhangzheng说:hi (10:50:41)*zmelody与所有人说:VO example reloaded (10:51:00)*zmelody与所有人说 22 (10:51:06)*zmelody与所有人说:MDD vs MDA (10:51:40)*zmelody与所有人说:MDA also covers meta data managing/ deloyment (10:52:03)*zmelody与所有人说:be able to generate a great of deployment description (10:52:10)*zmelody与所有人说:a great deal of, sorry (10:52:36)[*umlchina_seminar]与*zmelody说:thank you very much (10:52:44)*zmelody与所有人说:generate the instrumentation/information used to manage the system (10:53:19)*zmelody与所有人说:手都酸了，考托福时都比这轻松多了 (10:53:49)*zmelody与所有人说:we are not only talking model driven development, but the whole lifecycle of the system (10:53:53)*zmelody与所有人说:23 (10:54:07)*zmelody与所有人说:p24 (10:54:34)*mountain_wang与所有人说:ppt标签作错了 (10:55:01)*mountain_wang与所有人说:现在讲的是整个讲座的第三部分 (10:55:15)*zmelody与所有人说:informal models can't drive code generators, (10:55:50)*zmelody与所有人说:Java code is formal so can be compiled (10:56:11)koma与所有人说:After the speech,anyone would make the speech scripts? (10:56:13)*zmelody与所有人说:models got to be very precise for compilation purpose (10:56:39)*mountain_wang与*zmelody说:formal models got to be very precise for compilation purpose (10:57:13)*zmelody与*mountain_wang说:yes, precise, complete. what's the matter? (10:57:36)*mountain_wang与*zmelody说:go on (10:57:38)*zmelody与*mountain_wang说:26 (10:57:46)*zmelody与*mountain_wang说:business models (10:58:25)*zmelody与*mountain_wang说:one might say it is a pretty good model for the system, but he says no, see p27 (10:58:36)*zmelody与*mountain_wang说:28 now (10:58:53)*zmelody与所有人说:add something to make it complete (10:59:05)*zmelody与所有人说:an association between ... and .. (see pdf) (10:59:25)*zmelody与所有人说:in complete model, if it is not specified, error (10:59:46)*zmelody与所有人说:model compiler has to know these to process th model (11:00:21)*zmelody与所有人说:the partitioning? of the account into... (see pdf) (11:00:46)*zmelody与所有人说:CheckingsAccount, SavingsAccount (11:00:53)*zmelody与所有人说:that is p29 (11:01:23)*mountain_wang与所有人说:卡没钱了 (11:01:28)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:have a break (11:01:44)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:马上回来 (11:01:45)*zmelody与所有人说:hehe, i need a break desperately... (11:02:01)*mountain_wang与*zmelody说:so kind of you (11:02:06)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfDavid说:不要走开 (11:02:10)newcaff与*zmelody说:thank you (11:02:32)*zmelody与所有人说:28 (11:02:50)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:fine (11:02:56)*xuehuzhang与*zmelody说:good job, carry on (11:03:01)*mountain_wang与所有人说:还得重打过去 (11:03:05)cnho与所有人说:thanks (11:03:55)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:Please wait a minute... (11:04:02)*zmelody与所有人说:David is in China? I thought that girl (speaking English just now) was stuff in his Consulting firm (11:04:06)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:yes (11:04:27)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:the voice is fine, no echo (11:04:43)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:now is ok (11:05:04)*zmelody与所有人说:p28, 29 (11:05:19)*zmelody与所有人说:explaining the invarant rule on p28 in OCL (11:06:02)*zmelody与所有人说:still explaining the model diagram on p28 (11:06:56)*zmelody与所有人说:natural language spec is not OK with MDA, should expressed excisely (e.g. in OCL) (11:07:24)*zmelody与所有人说:sorry, precisely... 晕了 (11:07:44)*VictorCox与所有人说::| (11:08:14)*zmelody与所有人说:Check/SavingAccount (11:08:31)*mountain_wang与*zmelody说:that's ok (11:09:03)*zmelody与所有人说:p29 precondition (11:09:18)*zmelody与所有人说:pre/post condition are very precise (11:10:00)*zmelody与所有人说:business rules should be stated in mathematical precision? (11:10:10)*VictorCox与所有人说:the voice is so blur:( (11:10:49)*zmelody与所有人说:Sorry, I go to pick a phone call... (11:11:05)kckarlyn与所有人说:i here nothing (11:11:15)*mountain_wang与所有人说:p30 (11:11:27)kckarlyn与所有人说:what's wrong? help (11:11:31)[*umlchina_seminar]与kckarlyn说:你的语音没打开 (11:12:04)kckarlyn与所有人说:i open the voice chanel,but still hear nothing (11:12:07)*VictorCox与[*umlchina_seminar]说:excuse me, is there any seminar in progress? (11:12:28)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:the voice is fine now... (11:12:42)*VictorCox与kckarlyn说:have u update ur audio plugin? (11:13:00)*mountain_wang与所有人说:Formal contract increases the degree of (11:13:10)*mountain_wang与所有人说:semantic interoperability (11:13:18)kckarlyn与所有人说:i'll try, thank you (11:14:02)*mountain_wang与所有人说:chinese speaker and english speaker can interoprate (11:14:30)*zmelody与所有人说K i'm back. 31 (11:15:22)*zmelody与所有人说:if the contract is not clear, than trouble. p32 now (11:15:28)kckarlyn与所有人说:my voice chanel is ok now, thank you VictorCox (11:15:38)*zmelody与所有人说:map info to different models (11:15:43)*VictorCox与kckarlyn说:u r welcome very much:) (11:16:16)*zmelody与所有人说:MDA tool generate DTD (11:16:19)kckarlyn与*VictorCox说: (11:16:49)*mountain_wang与所有人说:33 (11:16:57)*zmelody与所有人说:map a business model to WSDL (11:17:13)kckarlyn与*VictorCox说:i can not hear your voice (11:17:28)*zmelody与所有人说:Operation<->WSDL message (11:18:08)*zmelody与所有人说:generate schema, from class model, incorprate some choices (11:18:26)*zmelody与所有人说:how to generate association, several choices (11:18:44)*zmelody与所有人说:the choice is expressed in parameters (11:19:56)*zmelody与[*umlchina_seminar]说:how to manipulate registers (programming language) -> compile auto dealwith (11:20:15)*zmelody与[*umlchina_seminar]说:35 (11:20:17)*mountain_wang与所有人说:p35 (11:20:23)*zmelody与所有人说:future MDA directions (11:20:43)*zmelody与所有人说:Service Model -> WSDL (11:20:55)*zmelody与所有人说:map to different technologies (11:21:18)*zmelody与所有人说:isolate the technology changes from domain (11:21:50)*zmelody与所有人说:p36 (11:22:49)*zmelody与所有人说:AOP : seperate concerns. So do MDA (seperate business from technology) (11:23:16)*mountain_wang与所有人说:p37 (11:23:30)*mountain_wang与所有人说:p38 (11:23:39)*zmelody与所有人说:38 (11:23:57)*zmelody与所有人说:very important approach to CBD (11:24:17)*zmelody与所有人说:difficult to organize dev team (11:24:45)*zmelody与所有人说:quoting CMU SEI (11:24:51)*mountain_wang与所有人说:CMM (11:25:05)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:Yes also famous in China (11:25:23)*zmelody与所有人说:5 levels of capability maturity (11:27:23)*zmelody与所有人说:develop reliable components for the domain (11:27:27)*mountain_wang与所有人说:正在讲p38第二部分 (11:27:29)*zmelody与所有人说:build product lines (11:27:56)*mountain_wang与所有人说:本页最后一部分 (11:28:24)*zmelody与所有人说:呵呵，mountain接班吧，多谢，我歇会儿 (11:28:46)*mountain_wang与所有人说:我补充一下 (11:29:06)*mountain_wang与所有人说:而已 (11:29:08)*zmelody与所有人说:39 (11:29:41)*zmelody与所有人说:intention is a very high level of abstraction (11:30:14)*zmelody与所有人说:source graph (11:31:37)*zmelody与所有人说:charles posed IP when in MS and now leave to launch his own company (11:31:48)*zmelody与所有人说:initiated IP, sorry (11:32:32)*zmelody与所有人说:product line knowledge -> components? (11:32:57)*zmelody与所有人说:domain-specific language to capture the knowledge (11:33:24)*zmelody与所有人说:compiler : takes over more work to do (11:33:56)*zmelody与所有人说:Model Integrated computing (11:34:17)*zmelody与所有人说:41 (11:34:46)*zmelody与所有人说:develop th core assects of a product line (11:35:02)*mountain_wang与所有人说:用productline创建个性化应用 (11:35:16)*zmelody与所有人说:42 (11:36:06)*zmelody与所有人说:Generative Programming is somewhat like code generation, which is among the key enabling tech of (11:36:10)*zmelody与所有人说f MDA (11:37:13)*zmelody与所有人说:set the configuration parameters and let the automatic tools generate the results (11:37:17)*mountain_wang与所有人说:跟制造汽车上的标准件比较 (11:37:49)*zmelody与所有人说:43 (11:38:16)*mountain_wang与所有人说:break (11:38:33)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:2 minutes break (11:38:42)cnho与所有人说:what's CBD? (11:38:53)*zmelody与所有人说:i don't have ear-phone, why give the microphone to me? (11:39:01)*mountain_wang与cnho说:Component based Development (11:39:11)*zmelody与所有人说:i use soundbox to listen to the lecture, no microphone here, sorry (11:39:30)cnho与*mountain_wang说:thanks a lot. (11:39:40)*mountain_wang与cnho说:u welcome (11:39:44)*zmelody与所有人说:thank u, mountain (11:39:54)*mountain_wang与*zmelody说:with pleasure (11:41:23)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:ready? (11:41:25)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfDavid说:voice is fine (11:41:33)*zmelody与所有人说:43 (11:41:34)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfDavid说:please continue (11:41:38)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:slide 43 (11:42:58)*zmelody与所有人说:my sourrounding is noisy now, mount _wangcan you help more? (11:43:29)*mountain_wang与*zmelody说k (11:43:39)*mountain_wang与*zmelody说:it's not clear either in my side (11:43:41)*mountain_wang与*zmelody说:though (11:44:03)*mountain_wang与所有人说:MOF is not applicable to graphic designing (11:44:46)*mountain_wang与所有人说:part of Intensional programming vision (11:44:49)*zmelody与所有人说:silde 44 (11:44:56)*zmelody与所有人说:slide, sorry typo (11:45:14)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:you may have a model based meta modal (11:46:04)*mountain_wang与所有人说:典型的CWM model (11:46:25)*zmelody与所有人说:Abstract Syntax Tree (11:46:44)*mountain_wang与所有人说:45 (11:47:19)*zmelody与所有人说:QVT is specification for model compilers (11:47:57)*zmelody与所有人说:XMI is for interchanging models between tools (11:49:36)*mountain_wang与所有人说:high level frame work (11:49:45)*zmelody与所有人说:talking about EMF (11:51:27)*mountain_wang与所有人说:微软的解决方案 (11:51:36)*zmelody与所有人说:Besides EMF, Microsoft is also in modeling direction (whitehorse?) (11:52:02)*zmelody与所有人说:(Actualy NetBeans is also incorporating modeling framework) (11:52:31)*zmelody与所有人说:48 (11:52:39)*mountain_wang与所有人说:在总结 (11:53:09)*mountain_wang与所有人说:我没microphone:-( (11:53:18)*xuehuzhang与所有人说:Thanks, Prof. (11:53:28)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfDavid说:Question time (11:53:33)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:Prof. Frankel: How would you rate Compuware's OptimalJ implementation of MDA? Is it complete? (11:53:36)*zmelody与所有人说:Questions please (11:53:56)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:What's missing? Is it consistent with the MDA concept? (11:55:11)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:Yes, I just want to get an expert's view. (11:56:23)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:thanks (11:56:29)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:other questions (11:56:29)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:yes (11:57:10)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:I have another quetion, but I will wait a while before others ask theirs:) (11:57:23)*mountain_wang与*DavidFrankel说:how to incorporate analysis patterns in MDA? (12:00:13)*mountain_wang与*DavidFrankel说:thanks (12:00:39)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:In a three tiered style MDA, how do you integrate the OO models for the business (middle) layer and (12:00:51)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:the data models for the data layer? Do these two kinds of models have the same basic structure (12:01:01)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:since they are solving the same problem? (12:01:20)*mountain_wang与*DavidFrankel说:you have already talked about the mappin (12:04:44)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:as I understand data model is an abstraction of how business is structure (12:05:15)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:while oo models are the the same (12:06:21)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说k (12:06:59)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:Thanks (12:07:02)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:yes, that helps (12:07:10)*zmelody与*DavidFrankel说:Can you give a few comments on using the code generation facilities in 3GL(such as templates in C++ (12:07:14)*zmelody与*DavidFrankel说:)versus using tools to generate code (such as Lex, Yacc) (12:10:25)*zmelody与*DavidFrankel说:i see, thanks (12:11:34)*zmelody与*DavidFrankel说:Thank u for the seminar And have a good time in China! (12:11:38)[*umlchina_seminar]与*DavidFrankel说:thank you! (12:11:42)*xuehuzhang与*DavidFrankel说:thanks a lot, professor (12:12:05)heroxn与所有人说:thanks (12:12:42)*zmelody与所有人说:Thank you, I had a good time. I'll be off for lunch. See you (12:12:58)cnho与*mountain_wang说:thanks a lot. i hope the voice be more clear next time. (12:13:08)*xuehuzhang与*zmelody说:Thanks for the help (12:13:14)*zmelody与[*umlchina_seminar]说:Thank you for organizing the seminar. I gained a lot. See you (12:13:43)*xuehuzhang与所有人说:Thanks, think. See you next time:) (12:13:54)*anny_mumu与所有人说:我的麦克风坏了 (12:15:07)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:谢谢大家，Professor已经讲了两个多小时，很辛苦了 (12:15:40)*anny_mumu与所有人说:有没有讲座的整理阿？ (12:15:41)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:讲座到这里，大家还可以继续交流 (12:16:16)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:讲座的整理回头看UMLChina的安排，好吗 (12:16:18)heroxn与所有人说:是啊，整理一下 (12:16:28)*yy2better与所有人说:真痛心,居然现在才想起来. (12:16:59)*anny_mumu与所有人说:在乾什么呢？ (12:17:06)*yy2better与[*umlchina_seminar]说:请问, 有没有聊天记录? (12:17:10)VoiceOfDavid与所有人说:大家也辛苦了 (12:18:24)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:录音会尽量上载 瑞星2006查毒，无特殊情况都在线
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